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		<title>By: What Is Scraping? : Online Profits Cafe</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggingtips.com/2007/10/03/social-rank-the-new-breed-of-blog-scraping/#comment-86324</link>
		<dc:creator>What Is Scraping? : Online Profits Cafe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 14:08:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Another take on SocialRank &#171; SilverTiger</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggingtips.com/2007/10/03/social-rank-the-new-breed-of-blog-scraping/#comment-61029</link>
		<dc:creator>Another take on SocialRank &#171; SilverTiger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 12:52:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I chanced upon an interesting site called Bloggingtips whose author posted an article entitled Social Rank - The new breed of blog scraping on October 3rd 2007. I naturally read this with interest and found that the comments had develped [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I chanced upon an interesting site called Bloggingtips whose author posted an article entitled Social Rank &#8211; The new breed of blog scraping on October 3rd 2007. I naturally read this with interest and found that the comments had develped [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggingtips.com/2007/10/03/social-rank-the-new-breed-of-blog-scraping/#comment-10405</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 13:02:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we will have to agree to disagree on this one. For me, a site which has several adsense ads and pulls excerpts from other sites is a made for adsense site. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we will have to agree to disagree on this one. For me, a site which has several adsense ads and pulls excerpts from other sites is a made for adsense site. <img src='http://www.bloggingtips.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Vishen</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggingtips.com/2007/10/03/social-rank-the-new-breed-of-blog-scraping/#comment-10362</link>
		<dc:creator>Vishen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 06:45:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Kevin, to answer your question:
&quot;I think you would be better putting your energy into building 3 or 4 great blogs instead of trying to build more of these sites.&quot;

Yes, I run 9 blogs. Among them...

blog.mindvalleylabs.com
marketingsqueeze.com
selfpursuit.com
mindhacks.org
meditationliving.com
and several others.

We started SocialRank from a bloggers perspective. How can you find out how your posts rank in the field you&#039;re in. And how do you identify other bloggers kicking ass in that field.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Kevin, to answer your question:<br />
&#8220;I think you would be better putting your energy into building 3 or 4 great blogs instead of trying to build more of these sites.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, I run 9 blogs. Among them&#8230;</p>
<p>blog.mindvalleylabs.com<br />
marketingsqueeze.com<br />
selfpursuit.com<br />
mindhacks.org<br />
meditationliving.com<br />
and several others.</p>
<p>We started SocialRank from a bloggers perspective. How can you find out how your posts rank in the field you&#8217;re in. And how do you identify other bloggers kicking ass in that field.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggingtips.com/2007/10/03/social-rank-the-new-breed-of-blog-scraping/#comment-10360</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 05:51:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I personally have no problems with any site that takes my title and a few lines. It has been done to death for the last few years. 

In fact, if you are not a Digg-traffic focused blogger, even Digg is nothing more than a scraper.  My content basically - most posters anyway do not bother to write their own description or title.

One more site that does it to me, no problem pal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I personally have no problems with any site that takes my title and a few lines. It has been done to death for the last few years. </p>
<p>In fact, if you are not a Digg-traffic focused blogger, even Digg is nothing more than a scraper.  My content basically &#8211; most posters anyway do not bother to write their own description or title.</p>
<p>One more site that does it to me, no problem pal.</p>
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		<title>By: Talat</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggingtips.com/2007/10/03/social-rank-the-new-breed-of-blog-scraping/#comment-10355</link>
		<dc:creator>Talat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 05:15:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin-That is an interesting definition of MFA sites:

Let us see how Google and SocialRank fare in it.

Criteria 1: *static content relating to a specific genre with high click thru rates*.

Google: If you search for hello world in Google the content and even the ranking remains there for a long time.

SocialRank: Go to marketinglens.com for example.The content/ranking changes very rapidly.The page you see today is not the same tomorrow, as the contents change very rapidly.


Criteria 2:*automatically generates content using a script which pulls data from other sites*

Google: Does not automatically generate content, but acts as a filter for search.

SocialRank: Does not automatically create content. But acts as a filter for blogs in the niche sites.

As we see criteria 1 applies to google and none applies to SocialRank. It seems google is more of an MFS than SocialRank by that defintion. 

That said, I do not agree with the definition of MFA sites. The basic criteria is- &quot; is it providing a valuable service?&quot;. Google and SocialRank both provide service in the jungle of www by filtering out things for you, by giving you a service.The good thing is that users are very intelligent, and they recognize a good service when they see it.I personally want SocialRank to succeed because it provided good service to its users, because it made our browsing life a little easier.And I personally am totally committed to the quality of the algorithm  so that it surfaces out the best and the most fresh content in the jungle of blogosphere, that it brings order. That would satisfy me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin-That is an interesting definition of MFA sites:</p>
<p>Let us see how Google and SocialRank fare in it.</p>
<p>Criteria 1: *static content relating to a specific genre with high click thru rates*.</p>
<p>Google: If you search for hello world in Google the content and even the ranking remains there for a long time.</p>
<p>SocialRank: Go to marketinglens.com for example.The content/ranking changes very rapidly.The page you see today is not the same tomorrow, as the contents change very rapidly.</p>
<p>Criteria 2:*automatically generates content using a script which pulls data from other sites*</p>
<p>Google: Does not automatically generate content, but acts as a filter for search.</p>
<p>SocialRank: Does not automatically create content. But acts as a filter for blogs in the niche sites.</p>
<p>As we see criteria 1 applies to google and none applies to SocialRank. It seems google is more of an MFS than SocialRank by that defintion. </p>
<p>That said, I do not agree with the definition of MFA sites. The basic criteria is- &#8221; is it providing a valuable service?&#8221;. Google and SocialRank both provide service in the jungle of www by filtering out things for you, by giving you a service.The good thing is that users are very intelligent, and they recognize a good service when they see it.I personally want SocialRank to succeed because it provided good service to its users, because it made our browsing life a little easier.And I personally am totally committed to the quality of the algorithm  so that it surfaces out the best and the most fresh content in the jungle of blogosphere, that it brings order. That would satisfy me.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Kukral - Marketing Ideas Online &#187; Blog Archive &#187; SocialRank A Site Scraper Or MFA Play, Or Both?</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggingtips.com/2007/10/03/social-rank-the-new-breed-of-blog-scraping/#comment-10335</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Kukral - Marketing Ideas Online &#187; Blog Archive &#187; SocialRank A Site Scraper Or MFA Play, Or Both?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 03:18:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Bloggingtips pointed this out to me. There are some good comments from the Socialrank representative in that blog entry. I&#8217;ll let you decide for yourself the answer to my question above. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Bloggingtips pointed this out to me. There are some good comments from the Socialrank representative in that blog entry. I&#8217;ll let you decide for yourself the answer to my question above. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggingtips.com/2007/10/03/social-rank-the-new-breed-of-blog-scraping/#comment-10324</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 00:59:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A made for adsense site is a site which is rarely updated and either has
* static content relating to a specific genre with high click thru rates

or 

* automatically generates content using a script which pulls data from other sites

:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A made for adsense site is a site which is rarely updated and either has<br />
* static content relating to a specific genre with high click thru rates</p>
<p>or </p>
<p>* automatically generates content using a script which pulls data from other sites</p>
<p> <img src='http://www.bloggingtips.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggingtips.com/2007/10/03/social-rank-the-new-breed-of-blog-scraping/#comment-10319</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 00:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, I am quite surprised how quickly people form an opinion without getting the facts.  I guess that is one of the most comment complaints about the blogosphere in general.  It is like everyone has become a journalist except without the duty to first look into the details.  

Why am I saying this?

Accusation 1 against SocialRank: It is a MFA site.  

Why? Because we use ads (AdSense) to monetize the content.  Well... lets take a look at Google.  They are an MFA site.  Why?  Because they use ads (AdWords) to monetize the content.

Accusation 2: &quot;The value of SocialRank to anyone but the most ignorant is extremely dubious.&quot;

The above statement shows that we have not articulated clearly enough the value of SocialRank.  

Let me give you an example.  In the past 24 hours, over 274 articles have been published by bloggers on Internet Marketing.  Do you want to know which ones are the top stories of the day without having to read through all 274?  I do and I can now get the answer at www.MarketingLens.com

SocialRank is a powerful algorithm that helps to rapidly filter the blogosphere by surfacing what&#039;s important and what everyone is paying attention to right now.  Above I just listed an example for Internet Marketing but I can do the same for lots of categories.  Our goal is to give every blogging community of every significant interest area an intelligent filter via a SocialRank powered site to make it faster to discover the top stories of the day.  

Lots of people online are already complaining that they cannot keep up with all of the feeds that they have been finding and SocialRank makes it possible to rapidly and easily discover the top stories of the day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, I am quite surprised how quickly people form an opinion without getting the facts.  I guess that is one of the most comment complaints about the blogosphere in general.  It is like everyone has become a journalist except without the duty to first look into the details.  </p>
<p>Why am I saying this?</p>
<p>Accusation 1 against SocialRank: It is a MFA site.  </p>
<p>Why? Because we use ads (AdSense) to monetize the content.  Well&#8230; lets take a look at Google.  They are an MFA site.  Why?  Because they use ads (AdWords) to monetize the content.</p>
<p>Accusation 2: &#8220;The value of SocialRank to anyone but the most ignorant is extremely dubious.&#8221;</p>
<p>The above statement shows that we have not articulated clearly enough the value of SocialRank.  </p>
<p>Let me give you an example.  In the past 24 hours, over 274 articles have been published by bloggers on Internet Marketing.  Do you want to know which ones are the top stories of the day without having to read through all 274?  I do and I can now get the answer at <a href="http://www.MarketingLens.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.MarketingLens.com</a></p>
<p>SocialRank is a powerful algorithm that helps to rapidly filter the blogosphere by surfacing what&#8217;s important and what everyone is paying attention to right now.  Above I just listed an example for Internet Marketing but I can do the same for lots of categories.  Our goal is to give every blogging community of every significant interest area an intelligent filter via a SocialRank powered site to make it faster to discover the top stories of the day.  </p>
<p>Lots of people online are already complaining that they cannot keep up with all of the feeds that they have been finding and SocialRank makes it possible to rapidly and easily discover the top stories of the day.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggingtips.com/2007/10/03/social-rank-the-new-breed-of-blog-scraping/#comment-10315</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 23:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dont think an interview is needed.

You have to see it from everyone elses point of view. You said they are not built for adsense yet there are two adsense advert areas before there is even content. Then there are more on the sidebar and the footer. Now obviously, a lot of blogs have  adsense on it however there is a major difference between those sites and yours. Yours is automated and is relying on content from other sites.

Vishen, you seem like a really nice guy and I respect the professional way you have responded to these comments. However, these sites are ten a penny on the blogosphere and are not offering anything to the visitor. I think you would be better putting your energy into building 3 or 4 great blogs instead of trying to build more of these sites.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dont think an interview is needed.</p>
<p>You have to see it from everyone elses point of view. You said they are not built for adsense yet there are two adsense advert areas before there is even content. Then there are more on the sidebar and the footer. Now obviously, a lot of blogs have  adsense on it however there is a major difference between those sites and yours. Yours is automated and is relying on content from other sites.</p>
<p>Vishen, you seem like a really nice guy and I respect the professional way you have responded to these comments. However, these sites are ten a penny on the blogosphere and are not offering anything to the visitor. I think you would be better putting your energy into building 3 or 4 great blogs instead of trying to build more of these sites.</p>
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		<title>By: Vishen</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggingtips.com/2007/10/03/social-rank-the-new-breed-of-blog-scraping/#comment-10293</link>
		<dc:creator>Vishen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 20:08:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Michael

Pls take a look at the ranking system behind SocialRank. I think you&#039;ll disagree that is just an MFA site.

http://socialrank.com/learn-more-about-socialrank/

By the way, our previous project was BlinkList.com. Won a couple of awards and was just mention in the Wall St Journal Online at Sep 30. 

Blinklist earned revenue from adsense. Just like a gajillion other sites out there. But it was certainly not MFA and nor is SocialRank.

Guys - seriously. Read about the algoritm first before tossing around these accusations.

And as I said. Kevin - I am open to an interview and to answer all your questions.

PS - our company is www.MindValley.com.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Michael</p>
<p>Pls take a look at the ranking system behind SocialRank. I think you&#8217;ll disagree that is just an MFA site.</p>
<p><a href="http://socialrank.com/learn-more-about-socialrank/" rel="nofollow">http://socialrank.com/learn-more-about-socialrank/</a></p>
<p>By the way, our previous project was BlinkList.com. Won a couple of awards and was just mention in the Wall St Journal Online at Sep 30. </p>
<p>Blinklist earned revenue from adsense. Just like a gajillion other sites out there. But it was certainly not MFA and nor is SocialRank.</p>
<p>Guys &#8211; seriously. Read about the algoritm first before tossing around these accusations.</p>
<p>And as I said. Kevin &#8211; I am open to an interview and to answer all your questions.</p>
<p>PS &#8211; our company is <a href="http://www.MindValley.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.MindValley.com</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Fagstein &#187; Is Techmeme a splog?</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggingtips.com/2007/10/03/social-rank-the-new-breed-of-blog-scraping/#comment-10289</link>
		<dc:creator>Fagstein &#187; Is Techmeme a splog?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 18:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] couple of bloggers also got pretty pissed because Social Rank was sending them pingbacks, which the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Michael Martine</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggingtips.com/2007/10/03/social-rank-the-new-breed-of-blog-scraping/#comment-10288</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Martine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 18:38:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is nothing more than better-than-average automated MFA sites (made for AdSense). Their value to anyone but the most ignorant is extremely dubious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is nothing more than better-than-average automated MFA sites (made for AdSense). Their value to anyone but the most ignorant is extremely dubious.</p>
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		<title>By: Vishen</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggingtips.com/2007/10/03/social-rank-the-new-breed-of-blog-scraping/#comment-10279</link>
		<dc:creator>Vishen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 17:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The audience is way too diverse for us to build a community on a single site.’ - Did this affect Digg, del.iciou.us or stumbleupon?&quot;

Yes it did - it limits the scope of their audience. 

Go to Digg right now and you&#039;ll see that a large number of the niches on the Net would never get publicity there.

Digg is great is you happen to be Male, Atheist, Liberal, and a Technophile. But for thousands of other niches, their posts would never make Digg.

Like Motherhood, QueerLife, Sudanese Culture, Malaysian  Culture, Islam, Christianity, Judaism,  Belgian Flemish Posts, Elearning, PR...

These are the niches we&#039;re providing our service for. We have sites for all the above.

My mother would never find Digg interesting. But she would love TheMomsWorld.com, which is powered by SocialRank. 

At the same time, she may get offended by ChallengeReligion.com, which is also powered by SocialRank but kept on a separate domain for obvious purposes. 

And that does not even cover the regional aspects of the site. Go to Malaysia.DailyVoices.com and you&#039;ll see the first post is about Islam. 

That kind of stuff has an audience. But it won&#039;t work on one site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The audience is way too diverse for us to build a community on a single site.’ &#8211; Did this affect Digg, del.iciou.us or stumbleupon?&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes it did &#8211; it limits the scope of their audience. </p>
<p>Go to Digg right now and you&#8217;ll see that a large number of the niches on the Net would never get publicity there.</p>
<p>Digg is great is you happen to be Male, Atheist, Liberal, and a Technophile. But for thousands of other niches, their posts would never make Digg.</p>
<p>Like Motherhood, QueerLife, Sudanese Culture, Malaysian  Culture, Islam, Christianity, Judaism,  Belgian Flemish Posts, Elearning, PR&#8230;</p>
<p>These are the niches we&#8217;re providing our service for. We have sites for all the above.</p>
<p>My mother would never find Digg interesting. But she would love TheMomsWorld.com, which is powered by SocialRank. </p>
<p>At the same time, she may get offended by ChallengeReligion.com, which is also powered by SocialRank but kept on a separate domain for obvious purposes. </p>
<p>And that does not even cover the regional aspects of the site. Go to Malaysia.DailyVoices.com and you&#8217;ll see the first post is about Islam. </p>
<p>That kind of stuff has an audience. But it won&#8217;t work on one site.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://www.bloggingtips.com/2007/10/03/social-rank-the-new-breed-of-blog-scraping/#comment-10268</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 16:46:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Im glad that you are turning off pingbacks.

I dont understand why you want 1000 domains though. If you want this to be a successful business model you should have everything at the one domain. Do you really have the time or energy to build a brand and promote 1000 sites?

&#039;The audience is way too diverse for us to build a community on a single site.&#039; - Did this affect Digg, del.iciou.us or stumbleupon?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Im glad that you are turning off pingbacks.</p>
<p>I dont understand why you want 1000 domains though. If you want this to be a successful business model you should have everything at the one domain. Do you really have the time or energy to build a brand and promote 1000 sites?</p>
<p>&#8216;The audience is way too diverse for us to build a community on a single site.&#8217; &#8211; Did this affect Digg, del.iciou.us or stumbleupon?</p>
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